“That’s what happens with utopias – once they become reality, we can’t imagine any other way of doing things.”
On this week’s show Grace Blakeley speaks to Rutger Bregman, historian and author of Utopia for Realists and Humankind: A Hopeful History.
In January of last year, Bregman shot to international fame when video of him excoriating the tax-avoiding corporate elite at Davos went viral – and in the latest A World to Win he discusses a range of topics from human nature to capitalism and the 24-hour news cycle.
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